ICM - Manhole Flood Type - 2D connectivity

• December 15, 2014, 03:13 AM
Joe.Brigly
ICM - Manhole Flood Type - 2D connectivity
Hi,

I am builidng a pluvial model of an urban area in ICM with a 2D zone used for the overland flow and a 1D network to represent the sub-surface drainage network. There is a foul and surface water component to the drainage system. The flow both into and out of the surface water syetem is via manholes using the flood type "2D", thus allowing the representation of collection of overland flow by the system but also allowing surcharging flows to enter the 2D domain.

The problem I am having is with the foul system. Inflow to the system is via subcatchments connected to manholes. The subcatchments include impermeable areas and thus have a rainfall response. I would like flow to exit the system and flow onto the 2D domain when the system surcharges but if I use the "2D" flood type I also get inflow into the system via these manholes from the 2D zone when the system is not surcharged. I therefore am wondering if there is a way of limiting flow via manholes to one direction?

The way I thought this could would be to use the user defined head-discharge (H-Q) option for flood type and limit the flow entering the manholes to zero. The problem I can see is that even if I use the Standard Weir Equations as the flood type "2D" would to define my H-Q curve, when the manhole is drowned by flow on the 2D surface there would be no way of switching the equation to used the drowned orifice equation. I would also need to create a number of H-Q curves to apply to the various sizes of manhole across the network.

If anybody has any suggestions it would be greatly appreacited.

Thanks,

Joe
• April 7, 2015, 03:35 AM
Will_Rust
Hi Joe,

Just thinking off the top of my head - if you link a your foul-subcatchment-draining-manhole to a flap valve to a 2D outfall at ground level (and seal the manhole), this may only allow water to travel one water when surcharged from your manhole. You may need to play around with the ground level of your manhole - but this might cause some instabilities!

Alternatively you could just remove the road + permeable runoff from your 1D foul subcatchments and set this to runoff from the 2D mesh (w/ some infiltration model). You would require your foul manholes to be 2D which may overestimate flow into them from the 2D mesh but you can use a 2D inlet to control this. If redrawing your foul subctahments is a impractical, you could try removing the RUNOFF SURFACES from the foul subcatchments for road and permeable (but maintain the geometry shape), AND block out the same "roof" area from your 2D mesh using MasterMap (or other), and set your mesh to rain inside and outside subcatchments. Just need to ensure you're not duplicating runoff surfaces.

alternatively alternatively there is a thread here which may be of help: